inevitable interest rate rise with the -- >> and 's cockamamy scheme to say when we cone be in iraq and afghanistan. >> we are on the road to greece friday this book we are going to find out how much the economy grew in the last three months. it going to be dismal. certainly less than 2%. that's a lousy growth rate. that will make the deficit worse. we are on the road to greece, no question. >> sean: interest rates go up we get downgraded any savings we are talking about is wiped out. lower growth rate, any savings is again. >> at growth rates projected in the plans i've seen and the president's budget assume 4% growth. are you kidding me? you think you are going to get 4% growth in the coming years? not going to happen. >> what is so troubling about this, i had somebody tweet me before i came out, remind everybody that most americans live within their means. all this talk about raising the debt ceiling every five, six, seven, eight months that doesn't happen in real life families. what has happened is, we've been playing musical chairs for decades. now the music has stopped. >> sean: connie mack a